US, British and Allied Reenactment

Hi to all
I have been searching the net trying to get info on the German border guards in 1954, up until then they had been using the Dux SMG. So far my reseach has told me that in 1954 as Germany was preparing for Nato, they decided on an improved Dux, there was 100 guns taken from the arsenal and modified by Mauser, Sauer and Sohn and Anschutz. These prototypes were tested at Meppin in 1954 and out of this project a new model of the the Dux evolved. What I have in my collection is what we believe to be one of the prototypes made during the transitional period. I have phoned numerous dealers in Engalnd and none can provide any information on the one I have so I am wondering is there any collectors out there with one of these "odddballs" in their collection. I would also like to point out that although this gun was used by Germany, it was actually made in Spain. In 1944 one of the Finnish M44 designers, Willie Daugs fled to Spain from Germany and turned his M44 design drawings to the Orviedo Arsenal and this was the beginning of the Dux. Anyone any ideas?

From what I have found online it really is a odd ball!







Danny

Agreed, it is certainly an oddball, the coloured pics are exactly the same as the gun in my collection. In all the books I have this version never turns up, it would be really interesting to know if there is any more of them out there and also in the light of its rarity how do you put a price on it?

How do you put a price on it ? Simple, you put it up for sale and see what someone thinks it's worth.

Certainly an oddball, difficult to actually value until one gets sold.

Paul

Sworders/Olivers Auction house in sudbury..Tony Crib...very nice chap, if anyone can give you a price on it, he can!

http://www.sworder.co.uk/olivers/

have we decided if this features in any books yet?

cheers

max

Does he charge for valuations, Max ?

Paul

tbh paul i think that would depend, i'll give him a ring today and see what the score is

max

In answer to Max, no, the version I have does not appear in any books, there is reference to prototypes being made, but to date no one has ever actually seen anything in print. I bought the thing because I was curious as to what it was, I had seen the two versions of the Dux and this did not look like either but Dux was on the certificate so I bought it. When I got home I searched the net to see what I had bought and then I found a discussion on the Wehrmacht Awards Forum between a Norwegian and a Swedish fella. They had a picture of this "oddball" but couldnt decide if it was the Dux or not, I entered the debate by telling them that yes it is a version of the Dux I have it here. Up until I posted my comments on that particular forum, they were using references out of books where it was proving that protypes had in fact been manufactured by Mauser, Sauer and Sohn and Anschutz, but they didnt know if any of these prototypes existed. They agreed with me that the Dux I have is in fact one of the prototypes, but none can find in print or in museums in Germany who actually made my gun or how many was made. What we did decide on was that out of 1000 of the original Dux SMGs 100 were taken out of the arsenal in 1954 to be modified and mine was one of that 100. As you will see by the coloured pics, it is, in my mind a mix between German and American and as the version created by Anschutz was accepted in in 1954 that narrows it down to Mauser or Sohn and Sauer.
Thank you all for showing an interest, your comments are very welcome
Best regards to you all
Peter

This gun is now for sale on Milweb, the advert will run for 2 months, I am looking for offers over £1,000 which is reasonable I think considering that this may be the only one worldwide of its type. Since posting the original article I have phoned more mainland dealers and explained what I had but hardly any could help with a price due to the fact that very few of them can actually recall selling a firearm that was a one-off worldwide. This is an opportunity to aquire that one-off item for your collection.
All the best to all
Peter